02
Jun
09

ICYMI: Obama = Pharaoh

So I know this is a couple of days old, but it’s something hilarious I think everyone should see. When Obama took office, I remember thinking to myself that his type of diplomacy might be just what’s needed to maybekindasorta bring some kind of peace to the Middle East. And when he recently met with Abbas and told him that the U.S. backs a two-state solution 100%, I was both surprised and heartened that a breakthrough might be made…BUT, I was also curious how Israel would react to a leader of the U.S. not giving them everything they want when they want it.

Well…

This is how.

“The American demand to prevent natural growth is unreasonable, and brings to mind pharaoh, who said, ‘Every son that is born you shall cast into the river,’” Science and Technology Minister Daniel Herschkowitz (Habayit Hayehudi) said.

At least they didn’t overreact.

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6 Responses to “ICYMI: Obama = Pharaoh”


  1. June 2, 2009 at 12:31

    I don’t see it as that much of an overreaction. Obama, in his vast arrogance and love for Muslims, told Israel not to even improve or expand homes or shops within the areas currently controlled by Israel. He didn’t just say don’t expand the settlements into new areas.

    Of course this is Obama we’re talking about. He has no morals or thoughts beyond his political campaign. He makes demands like this solely so that he can paint Israel as evil and obstructionist. It plays well with his political base in the US who virulently hate the existence of Israel.

  2. 2 Damien
    June 2, 2009 at 23:18

    jonolan,

    Your comments are clear evidence of a lack of objectivity and I declare you a partisan hack. If you refuse to have meaningful discussion why bother posting.

    If you want to talk about arrogance, you need to look at all past American leaders who have supported an artificial sate of Isreal that was manufactured post WWII. How would you like it, if we felt bad for the Tamils in Sri-Lanka and then out of pity for the slaughter of innocents, we decided to take the entire north side of Texas and just give it to them. Do you not think native Texans would be pissed that the “international community” just took your land and gave it to some outsiders?

    I have nothing but respect for Jews as a whole and I abhore the militant extremism and terrorism of the muslim world, but if you don’t admit that the very existance of Isreal is controversial in the least, then you have no business discussing it in a public forum.

    I wonder about the solution for Israel. I do know that a two state solution is not according to espoused American ideals. Freedom, democracy, inclusiveness and seperation of state and church all go against the very idea of Israel wich is by its very definition a religious state. The muslims have no chance to meaningfully participate in society, so democracy is out. This is very un-American. The real solution is for you to either give the Isrealis the Northern part of texas, or for Israel to become a modern, secular, inclusive single state. A two state solution so far has meant theft of previous homelands and under the two state negotiations, the Isrealis get the good parts and the Palestinians get relatively worthless desert with little capability of production. If American Jews weren’t bankrolling the political process there would be little appetite by Americans to support a religious state. Obama is wrong on this one to, and this is why Isreal will not know peace until they are destroyed, or they have destroyed every Palestinian.

    Your partisan hackery of Obama is also clearly lopsided and unfounded. What action makes you think the man has no morals? Hmmmm.. let’s see. No more torture, no more invasive wars, no more lying, cheating and stealing, more transparency for the government, lets try and abide by our international agreements, lets try and rebuild an economy shattered by republican rule. You disgust me with your purposeful lack of truth and perspective.

    • 3 jabberinwookie
      June 3, 2009 at 05:14

      Wow. Well said, all around. Of course, I haven’t been too hard on little ol’ Jonolan, since it makes me feel special to have my own private wingnut ;-)

    • June 3, 2009 at 11:59

      Well, Damien, I’ll give you credit for honesty; at least you admit that you want to see Israel destroyed and that you don’t think it should have ever been created.

      Why should Israel have to secular, inclusive single state? It neighbors are not so; they’ll at least as theocratic as Israel, which they too want to see destroyed.

      As for your endorsement of Obama’s supposed virtues, that’s laughable when faced with the truth. Torture? Still happening. Invasive Wars? Still happening. Transparency? Not even a little, except where it will further vilify the GOP. Abide by international agreements? Maybe. rebuild the economy? I don;t really think that his buying most of the major players counts as recovery.

      So, call me wingnut if you wish. I’m not the one blinding following Obama and I’m not the one calling for the destruction of Israel (Or Palestine for that matter)

  3. 5 george
    July 11, 2010 at 23:03

    Damien:

    Are you a propogandist, Islamist? You open by declaring Jonolan “unfit” followed by points very loosely based in fact. The former is a technique used by many regimes to justify genocide.

    As reguards the “artificial” state … then everything from Libiya to India is artificial including Greece and Turkey. Why? These were all carved out of the Ottoman empire which was multi-ethnic. Jordan was intended as a Christian country, Israel the Jewish, India was Hindu, the others Muslim but based heavily on tribes. There was to be a peaceful exchange of populations. India and Pakistan swapped millions. Greece and Turkey did likewise. Most of the Israli Jews are Sephardic and come from other mid-east countries – not Europe. When they left their countries, there was no compenstation for the land they left behind. Not so with many Palastinians. Yassar Arafat was Egyptian … and like others emigrated to the area in the two years before Israel became a country. Only in Israel were people there less than two years able to claim they were “locals.” So, if Israel had special treatment it is that the deck was stacked against its being able to survive. In fact, one could plausibly argue that Israel was founded as place for the Moslem countries and Europe to deposit unwanted (all?) Jews just before pushing them into the ocean.

    In the mid-east only Israel allowed “locals” to stay. Today they are not called Palestinians but Israeli Arabs and have the full right to vote and participate in the society. By contrast Arabs chased most Jews out.

    You talk about separation of Church and State …. again, much of the divide was cultural which includes ethnic, tribe, language, and yes religion such as Hindu, Orthodox, Marionite Catholic, Sunni, Shea, …. The Copts were a uniquely Egyptian sect and were allowed to stay but it is almost impossible to build or even maintain their churches as Egypt becomes more Islamicized.

    You appeal to the Constitution, but forget that Israel is a democracy. Is Saudi Arabia? Do they allow non-muslims? No. SA is a theocratic and racist regime that is the most religion-focused since the Inquisition.

    In my view, if there was a mistake made it is that a Kurdistan was not carved out. You have a point on Americas involvement in too many wars. We probably could have skipped Iraq. As for Afganistan it was Obama and the Dems who called it the “good war.” Maybe it was but I don’t hear discussion of an exit strategy, just seemingly arbitrary exit timetables. My own view is that if we go to war … then we go to war as per the Constitution. Declare War supported by a vote in Congress. Then pound the enenmy into complete submission. Finally, turn it over to the UN and get out — or if we must Nation build — commit, support, build, and then get out.

    May I suggest that in the future you avoid declaring people hacks and simply engage them on the basis of their ideas? You might also benefit from a more careful study of history. Some topics you might find interesting include the Balfor Declaration, the context around Truman’s recognition of Israel, the partitions of countries after WW1 and WW2. You might also find the book “From Time Immemorial” an interesting read. Then you can engage in a more meaningful and less vitriolic dialog.

    Finally, and if you are Islamic, this may upset you. The Bible declares that God will reform Israel and it will never be destroyed. The Koran declares that the Arabian peninsula will always be Moslem. One of them is wrong. Which? True believers on both side believe they know. As for others time will tell. Moses quoting God in the Old Testimate says, “I will bless those that bless Israel, and curse those that curse Israel.”

    Pick your side very carefully.

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